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, have ridden the train of dividend paying stocks. if we go over the cliff and dividend taxes -- >> not so much. well over 60% of mutual funds are held in qualified plans. >> that doesn't matter. >> it does matter. >> 40% of the investors are going to be subject to 43.4% dividend taxes. those shares go down in price, and it affecting people who have pension plans. >> maybe, but a lot of people like insiders and other types of long-term institutions are not going to sell their stock based on a 15% dividend tax rate. >> you don't think they're going to sell if dividend taxes go to 44%? >> i don't. i'm in the minority here. the stock market has done better when the dividend tax rate was considerably higher than it's been for the last ten years. >> but 44%, christian? >> well, it is certainly a lot. a lot of it is tax shelter. it's not going to hit everybody and have quite the impact everyone expects. >> ron and rick, we haven't forgotten about you guys. how do you play this while we go through this volatile period before the end of the year? >> i think the market's finished disco
to be, how can i invest, how can i participate? taxes are likely to go up, but this is a lot of rattling. both sides of the aisle would come together. they'll figure out what's best. at the end of the day, they know they have to help the little guy, the consumer. pool corp. sells everything but the water. they're suppliers for the pool industry. we think they'll grow at 18%. they have very little debt. it's like an annuity. all the pools in this country are seven years old. we love that kind of stock. >> bill, i take issue with the idea this is just saber rattling. if dividends triples, that's going to have a meaningful change in the way people allocate capital going forward. we're already seeing it with special dividends this year. this is a significant change. >> this is not necessarily just, you know, the upset du jour. this can change the economic landscape in 2013 and beyond. >> that's not going to happen. >> what if we wake up on january 2nd, we go over the cliff -- >> why do you say it's not going to happen? >> human nature is to focus on all the worst possibilities. call me an op
is the taxes surrounding munis. that was started in '07. all-time new highs today. even if you look at the lipper or barclay indices, it reflects the same thing. in a way, it's sad. in a way, it isn't. it underscores all of these tax implications that are moving trades are counterproductive to the democratic theme because they are circumventing the positives that are supposed to be through tax structure. i guess it really argues for reform. if all the money you're supposed to get from these companies is getting pulled into today's tax rates. >> what about that market? there are those who say get into the high yield, go to the munis since taxes are going to go higher. are they expensive now? has that become a crowded trade? is it too late to get into them? >> you know, the way we're looking at it right now is obviously capital is going to chase yield. when you can't get any yield in the form of treasuries, cds, you know, there's not a ton of yield in munis right now p. investment grade bonds don't look as attractive. >> so you're not going to buy them. where are you going to go to fi
saw last year. they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i think the lower volatility is telling you this is an extremely resilient stock market. i've been calling this the rocky balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cuts makes bonds rise, yields fall and making stocks paradoxically even more attractive. they become the new bonds. >> alan, can you tell from option activity which way the markets are betting right now, presuming that not going over the fiscal cliff would be positive for stocks and going over the cliff would be negative? what's the market betting on
multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200 billion. and further discretionary savings of $300 billion. guys, it looks like the horse trading is alive and well here in washington. now this offer being extended from the republicans. you can assume that the white house will not think this is enough tax revenue to go forward, but, of course, offers are being exchanged here so that's a sign negotiations are under way, guys. >> let's get into the details here. $600 billion in health savings. what does that mean for medicare? break it down in terms of where these savings come from. >> i wish i could. what we don't have here is a lot of detail hanging off this christmas tree at this point. we're looking at a couple of bullet points being released now in terms of the scale of t
on a bipartisan letter from lawmakers that's. putting tax hikes and entitlement cuts firmly on the table. >> i'm bill griffeth. let's show you, and the charts tell the day's story, as it usually does. can you get when the president began speaking at business round table and we learned that at least 40 house republicans are breaking ranks to talk about anything, all possibilities as they said in an open letter. right now the dow is up 110, near the highs of the day. 13,062.59. the nasdaq is going the other direction. blame apple and overall technology having a tough day. down 13 points right now on the nasdaq at 2982. the s&p is holding with a gain of about five points. we'll have more on the markets in a moment. first, let's get to what's going on in washington. more republicans breaking ranks to join what we hope will be a bipartisan call for higher tax rates and entitlement cuts. eamon javers on capitol hill has the very latest details for us. eamon. >> reporter: hi, bill. that letter does call for the speaker to negotiate, including all options on the table. it is a bipartisan letter. we sh
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